like we're on to the possibilities, the current deputy, ashton carter or michelle florinoy. >> there's something upsetting about chuck hagel's reputation slimed up. he's a solid guy, and he's been trashed for the last ten days. doesn't this speak, richard haass, to a problem -- not a problem, but another dilemma for the president of the united states? this is the second nominee that he's had rolled on him? susan rice being the first and now chuck hagel, perhaps? >> first, as you say, chuck hagel's a good man, and i think there's worse things for this country than having a secretary of defense who's a veteran who really knows things and is somewhat reluctant to use military force. i actually like secretaries of defense who are often reluctant to use military force. it ought to be something we only do carefully. if the president, in fact, backs away from chuck hagel, i think it's a loss for this country. and also, it's bad for the president, and it also raises questions about the tactics. this whole idea floating trial balloons, essentially you put somebody out there. they're vulnerabl
